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Renault T'Bonin
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Posted - 2013.09.15 17:16:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:CCP buffs the tank for all barges and exhumers nerfing forever the idea of a Hulkageddon........... and "they" still complain. Unfortunately, CCP hasn't built the tank directly into the hull yet. Look for mining barges and exhumers to be revamped to be almost exactly like freighters in the near future. Mining vessels will have max mining output rolled into the hull, as well as the resists, and resultant EHP of a DCU, invuln, and shield extenders/rigs, leaving only high slots for the chosen mining modules. Or course, they will still scream like babbies fresh off the teat when their crap continues to be ganked. You know just as well as I do, no matter what CCP does to buff miners, they'll still pick the one with the largest ore bay, aim it at a rock, then go AFK. Then get ganked. Then complain about it. The smart one's who stay ATK and use the tools provided will continue to make ISK. Hey, Feature Idea. Take the retty/makinaw, trade highslot numbers with the proc/skiff, then swap the role bonus with the covetor/hulk. I mean, they're AFK anyway, who cares how long it takes to fill the hold. Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over
Agreed.
I've got an alt I don't use from years ago that was maxed for destroyers.... so I test ganked one of my other characters.
With align and tank, it's a fail against a Catalyst for either a Covetor or a Hulk. There is no defense in .6 or .5. Maybe with a faction fitting.... but the expense is ridiculous.
So survivability is a lie told by the usual suspects. Align, tank, and warp is a lie.
If there's not a change to the expense reward ratio for ganking- industry will be deeply curtailed in high sec. It's safer in low sec (sort of). But most of the victims of these ganks are not at the skill, financial or experience level where low sec is an option. Also many high sec miners are casual players. Moving into low sec, managing a pos, and handling logistics/shipping requires more commitment than a casual player is willing to give.
It's a shame. It's one of the places that CCP fails. They've always worked towards balance in the game. Except on this one issue- a 12 million ISK combat ship, can take out a 250 million harvesting ship- right under the nose of the police. You would think that the ORE corporation would design their ships with better survifvability. It's sort of like having a machine gun, destroy a bulldozer.... makes no sense.
I'm not so concerned with the Covetor issue since it's fairly insurable.
Though I've been thinking about this for while...
One good compromise might be to buff the Covetor a bit.... and exile the Exhumer line of ships to low/null sec. The exhumers are really better suited to rat tanking and therefor are great in low/null.
If CCP wants to allow Covetors and below to be insta-ganked by a ship half the price.. I can live with that. Still think it's a bad policy. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.15 17:58:00 -
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Dalmont Delantee wrote:Does it matter?
None of the mining barges need any more of a buff. EVE is not a place where you can happily do what you want anywhere. You are always in danger you are always potentially dead. Thats the point of EVE.
Now please please get over this hissy fit of dying and stop worrying!
yu kneed to reed mor thuroly yu mis poeint loock lice funy klown |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.15 18:56:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped. If you don't get that, than I seriously have to question your understanding of the human condition... just saying  Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways. Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike. I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.
Well....
According to quantum physics.... oh forget it.
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Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:37:00 -
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I have a solution....
Every time you gank a miner... you are forced to mine for two hours and then deliver the product.
You ain't tough, or good at Eve, until you've moved an industrial (not a tranport) full of zydrine 20 jumps to market- after mining for hours to get it.
That's tough. That's a challenge. That's playing a game where everyone in the game is your enemy, and your only defense is your brain.
Ganking miners: Phhht. That's for the incompetents that can't handle low sec or 0.0. It might be allowed, it might even be an intended mechanic. But it wreaks of incompetence and desperation. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:18:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote: Ganking miners: Phhht. That's for the incompetents that can't handle low sec or 0.0. It might be allowed, it might even be an intended mechanic. But it wreaks of incompetence and desperation.
'Tis a common security blanket folks hang onto. But it's an illusion, and like all illusions, provides no real security or protection. Check the killboards. You'll see that your comforting illusion is just smoke on the wind. Like security blankets and teddy bears everywhere, your illusion is a coping tactic to protect you from fear. Shed the fear; Your game will only improve.
You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy.
If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere.
I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal.
If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal?
CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:40:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote: Ganking miners: Phhht. That's for the incompetents that can't handle low sec or 0.0. It might be allowed, it might even be an intended mechanic. But it wreaks of incompetence and desperation.
'Tis a common security blanket folks hang onto. But it's an illusion, and like all illusions, provides no real security or protection. Check the killboards. You'll see that your comforting illusion is just smoke on the wind. Like security blankets and teddy bears everywhere, your illusion is a coping tactic to protect you from fear. Shed the fear; Your game will only improve. You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy. If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere. I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal. If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal? CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless. Some reading for you.
Citing a form of argument taught in a Intro to Logic class, and backing it up with a Wikipedia article... is quite frankly incompetent.
Next thing you're going to start drawing Venn diagrams and pointing out that while all gankers are incompetent, not all incompetent players are gankers. Then you'll point out an exception- and provide another Wikipedia link.
You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself. So you have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
Incorrect.
The fallacy here is that I have to play YOUR game.
This is EVE, I set my own rules. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:47:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:
You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy.
If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere.
I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal.
If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal?
CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless.
Enough of this fippery and conniving subtle remarks. Tell us how you REALLY feel.
I feel fine. How are you? |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:49:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote: I see, so you back up your ad hominem argument with another ad hominem argument and then proceed to tell me that I'M the one embarrassing myself?
That, is pretty damn amazing.
Those with limited intellect are easily amused. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:52:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Mythrandier wrote: I see, so you back up your ad hominem argument with another ad hominem argument and then proceed to tell me that I'M the one embarrassing myself?
That, is pretty damn amazing.
Those with limited intellect are easily amused. I'm sure they are. Is that all you have to add? Or are you just stalling while you come up with an actual point? no rush, I can wait.
I'm not rushed. Just enjoying my coffee.
And.... Gankers are incompetent. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:The fallacy here is that I have to play YOUR game. Yes, a strawman is indeed a fallacy. So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case. Quote:This is EVE, I set my own rules. No. CCP sets the rules. They also hand out the tools. If you choose to ignore the gameplay effects of those rules and choose not to make use of the tools at your disposal, then the outcome is very much on your shoulders.
Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.
Be well!! |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. [citation needed] So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
Does repeating that over and over make you feel good, or better?
The rest of us have moved on.
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Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:23:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Tippia wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. [citation needed] So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case. I have a valid, giant argument. "Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power." (Ask and you shall receive)Cited Gankers are bullies with exactly the same motivations and influences as the school yard bully picking on perceived weaknesses.
She doesn't care about your argument... although she may try to refute it. Err it might... who knows right?
Best to move along and let the incompetent EVE players have there little group think. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:30:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote: She doesn't care about your argument...
Despite the tone and style of prose....that is not a "she".
I'm from Chicago... you never know. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:46:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So i've learned that gankers are incompetent sociopaths that fail at EvE in every way. Just wondering what that makes the miners who die at the hands of these Eve failures? I've seen in this thread and others, gankers referred to school yard bullies which is an insult to miners. Unlike in real life, in a video game (except pay-to-win which Eve is not), everyone is given the same tools to make their way. You can choose what ships you fly, how you equip them, and where you fly them. Eve is fundamentally a competitive game. You must compete with other players for whatever resources you are after. You'll win some and you will loose some.
If gankers are school yard bullies and incompetants, then that portrays the miners are weaklings and even more incompetant. I'lll not accept that. We're all demigods of the same galaxy. Just last night 3 of us launched on a hulk flying 1 t2 cat and 2 t1 cats. Killed dozens of Hulks with far less dps before. Landed on target, locked him up and got to blasting. Then a flight of shield maint drones from the hulk came out. Another flight from the Orca nearby. We never even got to his armor. It was fantastic. We offered 'gf's in local and watched our cats explode while the hulk didn't miss a cycle. The guy was at the keyboard, knew we were coming, and had a plan to beat us. That guy was neither weak nor incompetant.
You can adapt to the losses, or blame the other guy.
More ganker lies.
You cannot use shield maintenance drones on yourself.
So ... this didn't happen? There was only one flight of drones?
I love it when people make up stories... please continue. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:59:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So i've learned that gankers are incompetent sociopaths that fail at EvE in every way. Just wondering what that makes the miners who die at the hands of these Eve failures? I've seen in this thread and others, gankers referred to school yard bullies which is an insult to miners. Unlike in real life, in a video game (except pay-to-win which Eve is not), everyone is given the same tools to make their way. You can choose what ships you fly, how you equip them, and where you fly them. Eve is fundamentally a competitive game. You must compete with other players for whatever resources you are after. You'll win some and you will loose some.
If gankers are school yard bullies and incompetants, then that portrays the miners are weaklings and even more incompetant. I'lll not accept that. We're all demigods of the same galaxy. Just last night 3 of us launched on a hulk flying 1 t2 cat and 2 t1 cats. Killed dozens of Hulks with far less dps before. Landed on target, locked him up and got to blasting. Then a flight of shield maint drones from the hulk came out. Another flight from the Orca nearby. We never even got to his armor. It was fantastic. We offered 'gf's in local and watched our cats explode while the hulk didn't miss a cycle. The guy was at the keyboard, knew we were coming, and had a plan to beat us. That guy was neither weak nor incompetant.
You can adapt to the losses, or blame the other guy. More ganker lies. You cannot use shield maintenance drones on yourself. So ... this didn't happen? There was only one flight of drones? I love it when people make up stories... please continue. Looked like 2 to me. Maybe it was only one. I only had 20secs to find out before it all ended hilariously.
So... you cannot tell the difference between 4 and 8 or 5 and 10.
Cool... very competent. Bullshit. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:17:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:You seem kind of angry. Would you like to talk it out? Lady Areola Fappington has a teddybear we could use to roleplay some scenes.. work on your issues.
I'm not angry at all. Amused yes.
Not angry.
After all... you were busted. That is very funny. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:31:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:You seem kind of angry. Would you like to talk it out? Lady Areola Fappington has a teddybear we could use to roleplay some scenes.. work on your issues. I'm not angry at all. Amused yes. Not angry. After all... you were busted. That is very funny. I don't feel busted. I feel like a guy who saw a bunch of shield maint bots and who lost a gank on a hulk. The point of the story is miners can protect themselves. They don't. But that isn't my fault or CCPs fault. Its theirs. Ganking doesn't make me a bully any more than it makes the miners weak. If they're weak, they choose to be so.
You're weak... you didn't pull out a battleship of equal value for the gank.
You have no balls. |

Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:04:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Looked like 2 to me. Maybe it was only one. I only had 20secs to find out before it all ended hilariously.
So... you cannot tell the difference between 4 and 8 or 5 and 10. Cool... very competent. Bullshit. Sounds to me like you're a leet PvPer who can count how many of the 10 drones orbiting the target are actually repairing it, in a limited time frame with a dozen ships on grid, with effects and drone brackets off to minimize lag getting the pod out. I especially like the part where you assume there was no second hulk/other ship on grid to launch the second flight of shield drones in order to facilitate your ad hominem attack.
Are you going to claim he had asteroids in his overview... and therefor could not discern the drones? Even if he had drones pulled out of his overview... He'd still be able to see them flying. And yes you can discern them unless you're zoomed way in or way out (he would have done neither).
It's a BS story.
I'm criticizing his story... He might have launched Pink Elephant's out of his Hello Kitty Launcher II. But someone would have noticed that too. |
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